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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/lisbon-treaty-vote-no/comment-page-4#comment-207121</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok guys, I&#039;m closing comments on this post because I don&#039;t think this is a constructive discussion.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
		<link>http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/lisbon-treaty-vote-no/comment-page-4#comment-207103</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You stated that the Irish people are stupid racists !
Why should I replace the Poles with the Jews ? There are few, if any, Jews here in Ireland or anywhere else specifically to collect the Dole, Rent Allowances etc., but there are 47,000 Poles here doing so. If there were 47,000 Jews on the Dole here, I would ask the same questions and make the same statements on economic grounds only and therefore could not be &#039; shut up&#039; as you state, as I would not be making a statement based on racist grounds but on economic grounds, and on grounds vital to the very existence of Ireland as an economic entity.
I asked you a question about why the Poles in particular are satisfied to flock to liberal Western European countries such as Ireland simply to collect the Dole , but you have failed to answer.
No other countries or peoples behave like this, and certainly if I were younger I would not be satisfied to go to a country because it offers a better class of Dole and other welfare payments, I would be seeking a career, to work, to make good, even to make a name for myself, all the things that young people the world over aspire to - nobody but the Poles aspire to the best Dole available, it&#039;s idiotic !

&quot; What do you do for a living ? &quot;
&quot; I&#039;m a Welfare Tourist ! &quot; 

For the nation that produced a Chopin, this is a terrible comedown, it shows a dreadful lack of enthusiasm for anything in the present-day Polish. Do they not realise that here in the West, and especially in Ireland, the Dole is the last straw, the final humiliation, better only than prison ( slightly ), no prospects, long, perhaps lifelong drudgery and dullness, hopelessness and finally despair. 

What would I do to these Polish welfare tourists - I&#039;d make them earn their Dole just like I&#039;d make every other Dole claimant earn their Dole, in National Service ( not necessarily of a military nature), in Community Work, in sweeping the streets, I&#039;d get them up out of bed in the morning and show them that there&#039;s more to life than dossing on the Dole , and that they are expected to contribute to the country by doing something useful, I&#039;d rehabilitate the shirkers amongst them, the unemployable, and make useful European citizens out of them, that&#039;s what I&#039;d do for starters.....

That 47,000 would dwindle fast as they flee to more environmentally friendly climes ! 

Cheers,
Michael .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You stated that the Irish people are stupid racists !<br />
Why should I replace the Poles with the Jews ? There are few, if any, Jews here in Ireland or anywhere else specifically to collect the Dole, Rent Allowances etc., but there are 47,000 Poles here doing so. If there were 47,000 Jews on the Dole here, I would ask the same questions and make the same statements on economic grounds only and therefore could not be &#8216; shut up&#8217; as you state, as I would not be making a statement based on racist grounds but on economic grounds, and on grounds vital to the very existence of Ireland as an economic entity.<br />
I asked you a question about why the Poles in particular are satisfied to flock to liberal Western European countries such as Ireland simply to collect the Dole , but you have failed to answer.<br />
No other countries or peoples behave like this, and certainly if I were younger I would not be satisfied to go to a country because it offers a better class of Dole and other welfare payments, I would be seeking a career, to work, to make good, even to make a name for myself, all the things that young people the world over aspire to &#8211; nobody but the Poles aspire to the best Dole available, it&#8217;s idiotic !</p>
<p>&#8221; What do you do for a living ? &#8221;<br />
&#8221; I&#8217;m a Welfare Tourist ! &#8221; </p>
<p>For the nation that produced a Chopin, this is a terrible comedown, it shows a dreadful lack of enthusiasm for anything in the present-day Polish. Do they not realise that here in the West, and especially in Ireland, the Dole is the last straw, the final humiliation, better only than prison ( slightly ), no prospects, long, perhaps lifelong drudgery and dullness, hopelessness and finally despair. </p>
<p>What would I do to these Polish welfare tourists &#8211; I&#8217;d make them earn their Dole just like I&#8217;d make every other Dole claimant earn their Dole, in National Service ( not necessarily of a military nature), in Community Work, in sweeping the streets, I&#8217;d get them up out of bed in the morning and show them that there&#8217;s more to life than dossing on the Dole , and that they are expected to contribute to the country by doing something useful, I&#8217;d rehabilitate the shirkers amongst them, the unemployable, and make useful European citizens out of them, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;d do for starters&#8230;..</p>
<p>That 47,000 would dwindle fast as they flee to more environmentally friendly climes ! </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Michael .</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/lisbon-treaty-vote-no/comment-page-4#comment-207093</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;PS: I am a Trinity Alumnus, so every bit as much educated as your wife – am Alumnus of WIT too. And I am a retired Provincial Journalist – and Master Photographer to boot !&quot;

Would you like me stand to attention and salute you in the street for your contribution to mankind or because you are a Trinity Alumnus or because you´re with Fianna Fail or because you have a black doctor? 
More to the point: Is your view the official view of Fianna Fail or Trinity Alumni, the Poles are bleeding us dry... ? 
I am not calling Irish people racists, just you singling out the Poles is racist. If you replaced the Poles with the Jews you´d soon be shut up. What do you suggest we do with these Polish people?

The Poles are even getting a hard time from global warming why don´t you just leave them alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PS: I am a Trinity Alumnus, so every bit as much educated as your wife – am Alumnus of WIT too. And I am a retired Provincial Journalist – and Master Photographer to boot !&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you like me stand to attention and salute you in the street for your contribution to mankind or because you are a Trinity Alumnus or because you´re with Fianna Fail or because you have a black doctor?<br />
More to the point: Is your view the official view of Fianna Fail or Trinity Alumni, the Poles are bleeding us dry&#8230; ?<br />
I am not calling Irish people racists, just you singling out the Poles is racist. If you replaced the Poles with the Jews you´d soon be shut up. What do you suggest we do with these Polish people?</p>
<p>The Poles are even getting a hard time from global warming why don´t you just leave them alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, this ends here and now..

If you insist on continuing to smear me as racist, despite my lifelong dedication to, and work for, Africa and the Third World, and my quarter of a century fight against Apartheid, then you are not in the real world and it is you that needs help !

I have no &#039; mob&#039; ,as you allege,  I support the democratic decision of the Irish people in voting YES to Lisbon.

What makes you think that I would have anything to do with Nick Griffin and his ilk  - from what I hear there are Poles supporting his racist agenda in the U..K. !!! It&#039;s in the British newspapers and TV News. 

My argument against the Poles here in Ireland is purely economic, Two Billions a year iin Social Welfare worth of Economic , that&#039;s what, that is dragging this country down  with it and exposing us to takeover by the IMF  . 

If course, as you state your wife is Polish, you obviouly place your own welfare above everybody else in this country, and then pose like being an anti-racist when all the time all you are is being selfish little Paul hiding your greed and your own narrrow self-interest  behind well-worn cliches that are meaningless in the midst of the all-out crisis that everybody in this country now faces, thousands upon thousands of people having to make the most heart-rending sacrifices, losing their homes, being thrown on the dole, and now being cut as well because two billions of that money being painfully borrowed by the Irish Government goes to the Poles, but you don&#039;&#039;t care any more than they do, you can always, like them, desert the sinking ship of Ireland for booming Poland - yes, you know, you think it like them, you&#039;ve said it here : &quot; the Irish are stupid ! &quot;

Just welll-worn shibboleths , aye and smears and slanders too !

And may I remind you that, despite what you allege about the Irish Race, when the Irish went to the USA they did not put their hands out for Dole,, because there was and there is none !

Unlike the Poles here, and that is a straightforward statement of fact, made with no malice at all . 

Strange that it is only the one nationality in the world that tours around the welfare hatches of Western Europe, isn&#039;t it 

- I wonder why ? 

And that is a straightforward question.. 

Cheers,
Michael

PS: I am a Trinity Alumnus, so every bit as much educated as your wife -  am Alumnus of WIT too. And I am a retired Provincial Journalist - and Master Photographer to boot !

And I am a lifelong member of Fianna Fail, I am not a rat that deserts a sinking ship , but I&#039;ll play my part in trying to keep the Good Ship Ireland afloat, to the bitter end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, this ends here and now..</p>
<p>If you insist on continuing to smear me as racist, despite my lifelong dedication to, and work for, Africa and the Third World, and my quarter of a century fight against Apartheid, then you are not in the real world and it is you that needs help !</p>
<p>I have no &#8216; mob&#8217; ,as you allege,  I support the democratic decision of the Irish people in voting YES to Lisbon.</p>
<p>What makes you think that I would have anything to do with Nick Griffin and his ilk  &#8211; from what I hear there are Poles supporting his racist agenda in the U..K. !!! It&#8217;s in the British newspapers and TV News. </p>
<p>My argument against the Poles here in Ireland is purely economic, Two Billions a year iin Social Welfare worth of Economic , that&#8217;s what, that is dragging this country down  with it and exposing us to takeover by the IMF  . </p>
<p>If course, as you state your wife is Polish, you obviouly place your own welfare above everybody else in this country, and then pose like being an anti-racist when all the time all you are is being selfish little Paul hiding your greed and your own narrrow self-interest  behind well-worn cliches that are meaningless in the midst of the all-out crisis that everybody in this country now faces, thousands upon thousands of people having to make the most heart-rending sacrifices, losing their homes, being thrown on the dole, and now being cut as well because two billions of that money being painfully borrowed by the Irish Government goes to the Poles, but you don&#8221;t care any more than they do, you can always, like them, desert the sinking ship of Ireland for booming Poland &#8211; yes, you know, you think it like them, you&#8217;ve said it here : &#8221; the Irish are stupid ! &#8221;</p>
<p>Just welll-worn shibboleths , aye and smears and slanders too !</p>
<p>And may I remind you that, despite what you allege about the Irish Race, when the Irish went to the USA they did not put their hands out for Dole,, because there was and there is none !</p>
<p>Unlike the Poles here, and that is a straightforward statement of fact, made with no malice at all . </p>
<p>Strange that it is only the one nationality in the world that tours around the welfare hatches of Western Europe, isn&#8217;t it </p>
<p>- I wonder why ? </p>
<p>And that is a straightforward question.. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Michael</p>
<p>PS: I am a Trinity Alumnus, so every bit as much educated as your wife &#8211;  am Alumnus of WIT too. And I am a retired Provincial Journalist &#8211; and Master Photographer to boot !</p>
<p>And I am a lifelong member of Fianna Fail, I am not a rat that deserts a sinking ship , but I&#8217;ll play my part in trying to keep the Good Ship Ireland afloat, to the bitter end.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all this charity work and fighting for the oppressed where do you get the time to fit in the racism Michael? 

Why not do your moral duty quietly instead of wearing your good deeds as a badge and using them as justification to bash the Polish? Were you going around ticking off what cosmo points you have all day yesterday? No matter what good deeds you think you do, your words against the Poles and whoever the etc are, are racist. No side people like yourself, made people vote Yes. That is my point, the people who voted Yes were not hypnotized, they just saw Michael and his mob and didn´t want to be like them. Don´t use the word racist, what else is Pole bashing? Seems it´s not so easy for Michael McGrath and his mob being outed for the racists they are. Like I said Nick Griffen will welcome you with open arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all this charity work and fighting for the oppressed where do you get the time to fit in the racism Michael? </p>
<p>Why not do your moral duty quietly instead of wearing your good deeds as a badge and using them as justification to bash the Polish? Were you going around ticking off what cosmo points you have all day yesterday? No matter what good deeds you think you do, your words against the Poles and whoever the etc are, are racist. No side people like yourself, made people vote Yes. That is my point, the people who voted Yes were not hypnotized, they just saw Michael and his mob and didn´t want to be like them. Don´t use the word racist, what else is Pole bashing? Seems it´s not so easy for Michael McGrath and his mob being outed for the racists they are. Like I said Nick Griffen will welcome you with open arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
		<link>http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/lisbon-treaty-vote-no/comment-page-4#comment-206602</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and before I go, Paul, one last thing - I am a Member of the Irish Antii-Apartheid Association since 1965 ( Dublin Branch ) . 

Make sure and sort out some of those racist Irish today, but no need to worry, as you say the Irish are stupid anyway :--)

Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and before I go, Paul, one last thing &#8211; I am a Member of the Irish Antii-Apartheid Association since 1965 ( Dublin Branch ) . </p>
<p>Make sure and sort out some of those racist Irish today, but no need to worry, as you say the Irish are stupid anyway :&#8211;)</p>
<p>Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while you&#039;re at it, Paul, keep your cheque book open and write out a substantial cheque to another good cause of mine, to my pal former Senator Mick Lanigan who runs the Aid for Palestine Organisation - they&#039;ve managed to collect and ship off 150,000 Euros worth of medical supplies to Gaza .

That will be enough for now. 

Thanks, Paul.

Michael ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while you&#8217;re at it, Paul, keep your cheque book open and write out a substantial cheque to another good cause of mine, to my pal former Senator Mick Lanigan who runs the Aid for Palestine Organisation &#8211; they&#8217;ve managed to collect and ship off 150,000 Euros worth of medical supplies to Gaza .</p>
<p>That will be enough for now. </p>
<p>Thanks, Paul.</p>
<p>Michael ..</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Paul, with you and the wife working, I expect a good sizeable contribution to GOAL from you, also the spare computer you have for Africa ! 

Cheers,
Michael .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Paul, with you and the wife working, I expect a good sizeable contribution to GOAL from you, also the spare computer you have for Africa ! </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Michael .</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND, BTW, I am a Member of the Committee of the Computers For Africa Association. My GP is a Black African Doctor ( He is also a Moohammedan) 

I have always felt that every spare cent we have, every spare cent that the EU has, should go to the Third World rather than too Eastern Europe, includiing Poland, which has plenty of food, medicines, clothing, housing and now jobs - Poland is booming !

I would be prepared to make an exception for places like Romania, Bulgaria, the Balkans, and perhaps Hungary, but not for Poland that is better off economically now than Ireland is :--)

Cheers,
Miichael .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND, BTW, I am a Member of the Committee of the Computers For Africa Association. My GP is a Black African Doctor ( He is also a Moohammedan) </p>
<p>I have always felt that every spare cent we have, every spare cent that the EU has, should go to the Third World rather than too Eastern Europe, includiing Poland, which has plenty of food, medicines, clothing, housing and now jobs &#8211; Poland is booming !</p>
<p>I would be prepared to make an exception for places like Romania, Bulgaria, the Balkans, and perhaps Hungary, but not for Poland that is better off economically now than Ireland is :&#8211;)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Miichael .</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I am hardly racist as a lifelong member of several charities and collecting funds for starving famine-stricken Africa all my life ! 

I assist African immigrants with housiing and jobs here at home right now. 

I also helped Bangladeshi people in relief organisations in London !
 
You argue from the partticular (your wife) to mass immigration into Ireland ( the general ) in order to smear your opposition as racist .

Re the Irish Abroad, we buiilt England&#039;s motorways on the cheap with our sweat and blood, we built America too :-) 

&quot;Stupid racist Irish people &quot;, yeah, what sort of a stupid non sequitur comment is that ? Actually verging on the Racist :-)

We did what we could for Poland and Points East when we were in the Celtic Tiiger era, and we diid it with a heart and a half, some racists !!!

But as they say, Eaten Bread is soon forgotten. 

Cheers,
Michael ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I am hardly racist as a lifelong member of several charities and collecting funds for starving famine-stricken Africa all my life ! </p>
<p>I assist African immigrants with housiing and jobs here at home right now. </p>
<p>I also helped Bangladeshi people in relief organisations in London !</p>
<p>You argue from the partticular (your wife) to mass immigration into Ireland ( the general ) in order to smear your opposition as racist .</p>
<p>Re the Irish Abroad, we buiilt England&#8217;s motorways on the cheap with our sweat and blood, we built America too <img src='http://bifsniff.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>&#8220;Stupid racist Irish people &#8220;, yeah, what sort of a stupid non sequitur comment is that ? Actually verging on the Racist <img src='http://bifsniff.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We did what we could for Poland and Points East when we were in the Celtic Tiiger era, and we diid it with a heart and a half, some racists !!!</p>
<p>But as they say, Eaten Bread is soon forgotten. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Michael ..</p>
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