Comments on: Why Vote Yes to Lisbon? http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon Arts & culture blog based in Cork Ireland Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:47:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: martin http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-90433 martin Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:17:07 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-90433 A fench, merci bien pour tes mots. Moi, j'aime beacoup la France et sa culture, mais j'ai bien apercu que la qualite de vie s'est diminuee pendant les derniers 20 ans et il viens du pires si cette traite du Lisboa est accepte. Les principles du revolution sont niees, et en leur place un concours pour survivre comme chez les americains. La vie est plus que ca, la vie doit etre belle, c'est pour ca j'exige qu'on dis 'non' demain. Bon courage mon ami, bon courage a l'europe-vote No! A fench,

merci bien pour tes mots. Moi, j’aime beacoup la France et sa culture, mais j’ai bien apercu que la qualite de vie s’est diminuee pendant les derniers 20 ans et il viens du pires si cette traite du Lisboa est accepte. Les principles du revolution sont niees, et en leur place un concours pour survivre comme chez les americains.

La vie est plus que ca, la vie doit etre belle, c’est pour ca j’exige qu’on dis ‘non’ demain.

Bon courage mon ami, bon courage a l’europe-vote No!

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By: A French http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-90397 A French Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:37:57 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-90397 Help you,why thefrench said NO? The new president Sarkozy use the parlement to vote the new constitution, the text is the same. The Yes said "remmber that the europe was good for you, you must show that you are good europe people". The president Chirac decide to send the paper at all the people, a big error for the yes. Have you receive the "constitution", because after, the french people ask was on the write, not on the speech, on the futur with this text. Yes at the peripherical of the text, good intention but in the center, the most is an econmical project completely close. Cut the apple in two, do pragmatic said yes, but the cut is not right! At 56% the french said that it is not the place in a constitution, changing the name is the solution!. The french people was not opposite to europe, but the people europe to help and complement not the economical war the only solution in the text. Vote NO, only because you are alone, you cans stop and at minimum ask that all europe of people vote. When the YES see that the NO shoud be the winnner, the yes said: "dangerous, the french will be the bad, no minister, no good think for you". In french "la carotte et le baton" Thank. A fench Help you,why thefrench said NO?

The new president Sarkozy use the parlement to vote the new constitution, the text is the same.
The Yes said “remmber that the europe was good for you, you must show that you are good europe people”.
The president Chirac decide to send the paper at all the people, a big error for the yes.
Have you receive the “constitution”, because after, the french people ask was on the write, not on the speech,
on the futur with this text.
Yes at the peripherical of the text, good intention but in the center, the most is an econmical project completely close.
Cut the apple in two, do pragmatic said yes, but the cut is not right!
At 56% the french said that it is not the place in a constitution, changing the name is the solution!.
The french people was not opposite to europe, but the people europe to help and complement not the economical war
the only solution in the text.
Vote NO, only because you are alone, you cans stop and at minimum ask that all europe of people vote.
When the YES see that the NO shoud be the winnner, the yes said: “dangerous, the french will be the bad, no minister, no good think for you”.
In french “la carotte et le baton”
Thank.
A fench

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By: Lisbon Treaty - Vote No. » Blog Archive » BifSniff http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-87304 Lisbon Treaty - Vote No. » Blog Archive » BifSniff Thu, 29 May 2008 15:19:18 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-87304 [...] fuss. But what I do know makes me nervous. It may be that I am ill educated on it, but as I said in one of my comments on Daves Vote Yes post, I am not alone - an RTE poll at the end of April showed only 5% of people [...] [...] fuss. But what I do know makes me nervous. It may be that I am ill educated on it, but as I said in one of my comments on Daves Vote Yes post, I am not alone - an RTE poll at the end of April showed only 5% of people [...]

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By: Markus http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-86453 Markus Mon, 26 May 2008 08:45:25 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-86453 So by voting Yes, we'll be a more prosperous, influential and powerful voice in Europe? I think not. The treaty takes away our veto in several key areas, we cede judicial sovereignty on some issues to Brussels, we lose a commissioner for large chunks of the time and when we do get one, it won't be selected by our government. Anyone who doubts that the creation of a federal one EU state is not on the agenda is blind to the way the EU has developed over the past 15 years. We became prosperous over that time in spite of and not because of the EU. We decided our own economic policies, and we now get a chance to vote that someone else, potentially and anecdotally, will get to make those decisions in the future. If this sounds like doom mongering or whatever, fine.At least I've read the treaty(and yes, it is hard going) and its the areas of economic policy,judiciary and the new voting arrangements that worry me enormously.I am not comforted by this at all, I wish it was not interfering in these areas the way it proposes too. We had Nice, twice.We had the EU constitution, thrown out, and now we have it again in all but name and only one country has the right to decide its future. I hope we give it the decision it deserves. Vote No. So by voting Yes, we’ll be a more prosperous, influential and powerful voice in Europe? I think not. The treaty takes away our veto in several key areas, we cede judicial sovereignty on some issues to Brussels, we lose a commissioner for large chunks of the time and when we do get one, it won’t be selected by our government. Anyone who doubts that the creation of a federal one EU state is not on the agenda is blind to the way the EU has developed over the past 15 years. We became prosperous over that time in spite of and not because of the EU. We decided our own economic policies, and we now get a chance to vote that someone else, potentially and anecdotally, will get to make those decisions in the future. If this sounds like doom mongering or whatever, fine.At least I’ve read the treaty(and yes, it is hard going) and its the areas of economic policy,judiciary and the new voting arrangements that worry me enormously.I am not comforted by this at all, I wish it was not interfering in these areas the way it proposes too. We had Nice, twice.We had the EU constitution, thrown out, and now we have it again in all but name and only one country has the right to decide its future. I hope we give it the decision it deserves. Vote No.

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By: Taoiseach hasn’t read Lisbon Treay » Blog Archive » BifSniff http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-82407 Taoiseach hasn’t read Lisbon Treay » Blog Archive » BifSniff Tue, 13 May 2008 15:21:29 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-82407 [...] Cowen hasn’t read the Lisbon Treaty! OK, that’s a little harsh, but did say he hasn’t read it cover to cover while [...] [...] Cowen hasn’t read the Lisbon Treaty! OK, that’s a little harsh, but did say he hasn’t read it cover to cover while [...]

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By: Leigh de Paor http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-82371 Leigh de Paor Tue, 13 May 2008 12:41:28 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-82371 Why are all the yes pushers just saying we will be left behind if we don't vote yes? That is just peer pressure it is very worrying that the vast majority of pro-yes voters have not actually read the treaty and the underlying treaties they amend. It's available online and is only 294 pages. Also the sneaky yes vote leaflet put in the door by the Govt. which lies by saying that ammendments don't replace anything! These things do not engender confidence in a yes vote. Why are all the yes pushers just saying we will be left behind if we don’t vote yes? That is just peer pressure it is very worrying that the vast majority of pro-yes voters have not actually read the treaty and the underlying treaties they amend.
It’s available online and is only 294 pages.

Also the sneaky yes vote leaflet put in the door by the Govt. which lies by saying that ammendments don’t replace anything! These things do not engender confidence in a yes vote.

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By: Leigh de Paor http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-82370 Leigh de Paor Tue, 13 May 2008 12:38:49 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-82370 And another thing if this Lisbon treaty makes the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union legally binding well then the combination of the following two articles is a bit worrying... Article 3 Right to the integrity of the person 2. In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular: * the prohibition of the <b>reproductive cloning</b> of human beings. Article 13 Freedom of the arts and sciences The arts and scientific research shall be <b>free of constraint</b> Note that any other form of cloning is not prohibited and science shall be free from constraint. Welcome back Dr. Mengeler (spelling?) And another thing if this Lisbon treaty makes the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union legally binding well then the combination of the following two articles is a bit worrying…

Article 3
Right to the integrity of the person
2. In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular:
* the prohibition of the reproductive cloning of human beings.

Article 13
Freedom of the arts and sciences
The arts and scientific research shall be free of constraint

Note that any other form of cloning is not prohibited and science shall be free from constraint. Welcome back Dr. Mengeler (spelling?)

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By: Leigh de Paor http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-82361 Leigh de Paor Tue, 13 May 2008 12:09:41 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-82361 Why is there no links being posted to the <i>actual</i> treaty? That way people can read it themselves. http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/Lisbon_Treaty_English.pdf Check it out, its 294 pages and the original treaties which get modified by it are available at http://europa.eu/abc/treaties/index_en.htm All the <b>"vote yes because we think it's great"</b> statements by people who have <i>not</i> read the treaty does not engender confidence in these tricksters who run our country and want to run the world. Why is there no links being posted to the actual treaty?
That way people can read it themselves.
http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/Lisbon_Treaty_English.pdf
Check it out, its 294 pages and the original treaties which get modified by it are available at http://europa.eu/abc/treaties/index_en.htm
All the “vote yes because we think it’s great” statements by people who have not read the treaty does not engender confidence in these tricksters who run our country and want to run the world.

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By: Stephan Schmitt http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-79911 Stephan Schmitt Thu, 08 May 2008 20:13:47 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-79911 I’m writing you from Germany and we all hope you have success by stopping the EU Treaty! And I hope you can forgive my miserable English, too. We don’t have a right on a referendum and though our best wishes are with you and your campaigns. In all over Europe the people standing close to another for stopping this unholy thing called EU Treaty. We all know about the consequences and now it is time to build bridges between the people all over Europe. This is the Europe of the European People and not the Europe of the European Industry and Warlords. Here in Germany, Austira, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and some other countries people go out on the streets for standing against our Governments. Take a look here: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIgyX0jeuI&feature=related Although there is a legal accusation against members of the German government, including chancellor Angela Merkel and president Köhler and others, because of high treason. That is because the government, incl. chancellor Merkel and all of her ministers, are handing over the national souvereignity of Germany to an undemocratic organisation calling itself the European Union. This governmental action is forbidden by the German Grundgesetz in several articles. High Treason in our law is defined as “ using violence to remove the democratic organisation of the state.” The Merkel Administration uses its power over the state media - and their associated private media corporations, such as Bertelsmann corporation , Springer Verlag and others - to silence the democratic opposition against the EU Treaty of Lisboa and to deconstruct the democratic German state and replacing it by a nondemocratic organisation serving economic interests of a few corporations only – but not the peoples interests and their legal democratic rights. The abuse of media power and the silencing of the legal opposition in the media of the state is, in the opinion of the informers of the state prosecutor, violence. In fact no country of the forthcoming EU totalitarism will have any significant or fundamental rights to reign itself through the will of the People. But the will of the people is the fundamental of every democracy. It is ignored by the EU and, as far as Germany is concerned, the German government, too. You can follow the links at the end of this text to read about the concerned laws and the charge because of high treason in Geman. Best wishes Stephan Schmitt I’m writing you from Germany and we all hope you have success by stopping the EU Treaty! And I hope you can forgive my miserable English, too.

We don’t have a right on a referendum and though our best wishes are with you and your campaigns. In all over Europe the people standing close to another for stopping this unholy thing called EU Treaty. We all know about the consequences and now it is time to build bridges between the people all over Europe.

This is the Europe of the European People and not the Europe of the European Industry and Warlords.

Here in Germany, Austira, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and some other countries people go out on the streets for standing against our Governments.

Take a look here: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIgyX0jeuI&feature=related

Although there is a legal accusation against members of the German government, including chancellor Angela Merkel and president Köhler and others, because of high treason.
That is because the government, incl. chancellor Merkel and all of her ministers, are handing over the national souvereignity of Germany to an undemocratic organisation calling itself the European Union.

This governmental action is forbidden by the German Grundgesetz in several articles.

High Treason in our law is defined as “ using violence to remove the democratic organisation of the state.” The Merkel Administration uses its power over the state media - and their associated private media corporations, such as Bertelsmann corporation , Springer Verlag and others - to silence the democratic opposition against the EU Treaty of Lisboa and to deconstruct the democratic German state and replacing it by a nondemocratic organisation serving economic interests of a few corporations only – but not the peoples interests and their legal democratic rights.
The abuse of media power and the silencing of the legal opposition in the media of the state is, in the opinion of the informers of the state prosecutor, violence.

In fact no country of the forthcoming EU totalitarism will have any significant or fundamental rights to reign itself through the will of the People. But the will of the people is the fundamental of every democracy. It is ignored by the EU and, as far as Germany is concerned, the German government, too. You can follow the links at the end of this text to read about the concerned laws and the charge because of high treason in Geman.

Best wishes
Stephan Schmitt

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By: Eoin http://bifsniff.com/current-affairs/why-vote-yes-to-lisbon#comment-78377 Eoin Tue, 06 May 2008 15:51:54 +0000 http://bifsniff.com/?p=1245#comment-78377 Lets not forget that Ireland's strong economy helped keep the Euro strong when other currencies were sinking. It hasn't all been one way traffic and as Europeans we have a duty to ensure this Treaty is the right one. All a no vote would mean is that the politicians would have to go talk about it again. Lets not forget that Ireland’s strong economy helped keep the Euro strong when other currencies were sinking.

It hasn’t all been one way traffic and as Europeans we have a duty to ensure this Treaty is the right one. All a no vote would mean is that the politicians would have to go talk about it again.

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