Comments on: The First Noel… http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel Arts & culture blog based in Cork Ireland Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:17:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Bif http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-402 Bif Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:37:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-402 Who's Carlton? Who’s Carlton?

]]> By: anmare ...εìíз http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-401 anmare ...εìíз Mon, 03 Jul 2006 04:54:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-401 Seriously i am getting a way big head ache from this web site, people are way too fuddy duddy sensitive and annoyingly over the top... whhhhhy (as carlton would say) Seriously i am getting a way big head ache from this web site, people are way too fuddy duddy sensitive and annoyingly over the top… whhhhhy (as carlton would say)

]]> By: Anonymous http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-400 Anonymous Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:02:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-400 its just a silly cartoon, making a joke that a child has taken a hymn too seriously. i really can not understand how anyone could take offence unless they were just being plain awkward or had nothing else to do in their spare time. i do understand how this can be linked to european jews returning to israel, but only if someone were to be looking at this cartoon too seriously, and trying to find some sort of offensive meaning to it. it's humour is clearly innocent, with no sort of references to making fun out of the jewish religion. i think previous comments were far too over sensitive, totally unjustified, and felt those making the comments were just being over protective of there beliefs and making something out of nothing. they obviusly are suffering from paranoia or just have too much time on their hands. i would also like to add that the lads that posted this cartoon and responded to these, which i believe unprecedented and inapropriate, remarks reacted very sensibly and nonprovocative, which those who posted the original comment did not. its just a silly cartoon, making a joke that a child has taken a hymn too seriously. i really can not understand how anyone could take offence unless they were just being plain awkward or had nothing else to do in their spare time. i do understand how this can be linked to european jews returning to israel, but only if someone were to be looking at this cartoon too seriously, and trying to find some sort of offensive meaning to it. it’s humour is clearly innocent, with no sort of references to making fun out of the jewish religion. i think previous comments were far too over sensitive, totally unjustified, and felt those making the comments were just being over protective of there beliefs and making something out of nothing. they obviusly are suffering from paranoia or just have too much time on their hands. i would also like to add that the lads that posted this cartoon and responded to these, which i believe unprecedented and inapropriate, remarks reacted very sensibly and nonprovocative, which those who posted the original comment did not.

]]> By: Zion inhabitant http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-399 Zion inhabitant Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:23:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-399 "One could easily view this cartoon as a mockery of European Jews returning as settlers to Israel. I don't think this interpret...bla bla bla" stupid stupid stupid people You are suposed to be PROUD. Ofende quien puede, no quien quiere. “One could easily view this cartoon as a mockery of European Jews returning as settlers to Israel. I don’t think this interpret…bla bla bla”
stupid
stupid
stupid
people

You are suposed to be PROUD.
Ofende quien puede, no quien quiere.

]]> By: Anonymous http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-398 Anonymous Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:17:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-398 As a lifelong supporter of JEWISH GUILD FC (I Googled my team and somehow found your site!) I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for clearing up this matter. I too was taken aback by this weeks cartoon at first but now feel a little more at ease. I'll be closely monitoring your work from now on. ZION!! As a lifelong supporter of JEWISH GUILD FC (I Googled my team and somehow found your site!) I’d like to take this opportunity to thank you for clearing up this matter. I too was taken aback by this weeks cartoon at first but now feel a little more at ease. I’ll be closely monitoring your work from now on.

ZION!!

]]> By: Bif http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-397 Bif Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:33:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-397 Hey, no problem here, it gave us something interesting to talk about in the comments anyway. Thanks for stopping by. Hey, no problem here, it gave us something interesting to talk about in the comments anyway. Thanks for stopping by.

]]> By: p. finkenstein http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-396 p. finkenstein Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:40:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-396 I would like to thank both of you for your detailed rebuttal of my commentary on your cartoon. I apologize if I seemed over zealous to take offense but I do hope you understand the position I was forced to adopt. Sometimes it is indeed difficult to tell the wood from the trees and in the first instance, experience has taught me, it almost always pays to err on the rash side. Again, kind wishes and Shalom. I would like to thank both of you for your detailed rebuttal of my commentary on your cartoon. I apologize if I seemed over zealous to take offense but I do hope you understand the position I was forced to adopt. Sometimes it is indeed difficult to tell the wood from the trees and in the first instance, experience has taught me, it almost always pays to err on the rash side. Again, kind wishes and Shalom.

]]> By: Bif http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-395 Bif Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:21:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-395 The first verse and chorus goes thus 'The first Nowell, the angel did say, Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay; In fields where they lay keeping their sheep, On a cold winter's night that was so deep. Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel, Born is the King of Israel.' Of course, I suspect, a certain degree of familiarity is required aswell. Still, yes it's a cute pic all the same anyway. The first verse and chorus goes thus

‘The first Nowell, the angel did say,
Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay;
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep,
On a cold winter’s night that was so deep.

Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel.’

Of course, I suspect, a certain degree of familiarity is required aswell. Still, yes it’s a cute pic all the same anyway.

]]> By: Maria http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-394 Maria Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-394 I didn’t get the joke, not knowing anything about that hymn, but I definitely liked the look of the cartoon. Pretty cute I didn’t get the joke, not knowing anything about that hymn, but I definitely liked the look of the cartoon. Pretty cute

]]> By: frankp http://bifsniff.com/our-cartoons/the-first-noel#comment-393 frankp Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:48:00 +0000 http://www.bifsniff.com/?p=90#comment-393 p. finklestein, thanks for coming back to clarify, it's much appreciated. I do feel the need to again clarify that none of the implications you read into the cartoon were intended - to be honest I'm amazed at the amount you managed to read into an extremely innocent cartoon. I do appreciate your intentions, and I am really glad you brought it up as it gave us the opportunity to clarify for anyone else who might be reading too much into it. I don't apologise for it, but I do hope nobody was offended once they realised the innocence of it. Your post was most informative, I assure you I am not capable of the kind of suggestive and inciteful symbolism in my artwork you suspected! I hope you continue to read our cartoons - I'm not sure what what the appropriate best wishes would be right now, this apparent cultural minefield has me bewildered ;) so I'll just leave it at 'Best Wishes'! p. finklestein, thanks for coming back to clarify, it’s much appreciated. I do feel the need to again clarify that none of the implications you read into the cartoon were intended - to be honest I’m amazed at the amount you managed to read into an extremely innocent cartoon.

I do appreciate your intentions, and I am really glad you brought it up as it gave us the opportunity to clarify for anyone else who might be reading too much into it.

I don’t apologise for it, but I do hope nobody was offended once they realised the innocence of it.

Your post was most informative, I assure you I am not capable of the kind of suggestive and inciteful symbolism in my artwork you suspected!

I hope you continue to read our cartoons - I’m not sure what what the appropriate best wishes would be right now, this apparent cultural minefield has me bewildered ;) so I’ll just leave it at ‘Best Wishes’!

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